Heaven’s Gate—Sawyer Responds

The following are verbatim responses from former Heaven’s Gate member Sawyer, after he read  the section on Heaven’s Gate in my book, Crossing the Event Horizon—Human Metamorphosis and the Singularity Archetype. Sawyer remains a staunch believer in Heaven’s Gate principles.

I haven’t studied the Archtypes though I did listen to a spokesman for that system on WBAI radio in NYC from 1998- while I lived on Stonybrook, NY and commutted to my programming job in Westbury, NY. So it’s not foreign to me but I admit not able to really speak in it’s terminologies. For instance to me “Dark Side” is of course an interpretation and negative judgement. I would argue there was nothing evidenced as negative to any student or the two teachers except for what people believe because of only hearing what the media said about them and their final choice to lay down their vehicles bodies. What next to know one so far has been able to hold onto about this story is maintaining the question, “what if they were right”. With that said, knowing that is not an easy thing at all to think and maintain consciousness of for many reasons, the evidence of what I am saying is in the over 1000 audio tapes TI and DO recorded of many of their meetings from 1982-1997. However, I proceed that most people think of them and what they did by self exiting as “Dark” but it would be impossible in my view to make that case when they hear all the facts regardless of what one is willing to believe or not about them. Context isn’t everything but it’s close to it. So case in point. If one wants to know the truth about DO’s meeting TI, they would go to the Heaven’s Gate book on Heavensgate.com and download it at the bottom of the Book page. It comes in a zip file and is straight text. Then in it search for “88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew” and you will have the truth. Top of that I am first hand witness to DO telling that story of their meeting as early as 1978 or so with TI sitting right next to him. Then again in 1992 DO told the story on the first Beyond Human – The Last Call video tapes that are easy to find. Then again in a meeting in Inverness, California we have an audio tapes in 1994 while we were split into some 6 groups holding face to face meetings again for the first time since 1975-1976 doing so. Ti wasn’t still in her human vehicle after 1985 but she would also say things. They said things in the years from 1975 that were not recorded, a great deal. Students didn’t compare notes. It’s in our memories if we tap them if not we lose them it seems. Now I was present for each of these times, there is new information in every instance, significant new information. That is because DO never made what he was going to say into a presentation the way humans do all the time. He did 99.99999% of the material for all the meetings by using his own mind and in conjunction with TI’s mind (before they came to talk to us), at very rare times conversing in whispers about something at the meeting on whether to bring it up or not and choosing not to some times because of what they said to one another. TI didn’t feel right about it. The rare occasions like 3-4 to be generous in my 19 year memory) were limited to keywords, like he used a bit during the Beyond Human video taping. As we know well in basic psychology of humans, it’s hard to be a liar, especially over years time as one forgets what they said back then because it wasn’t based on the truth. So how did all that misinformation get started. It’s that old telephone game. Things get misremembered, misunderstood, supposed to be true, assumed, misinterpreted, etc. Here is my summary of some of what TI and DO said about meeting: They met at a hospital in Houston in 1972 where TI was working in the nursery taking care of premie babies but covered for another nurse in the administrating of medicine to the friend of DO’s who was in that same hospital. Terrie didn’t know that’s where they met. She thought they met at the singing class TI arranged for her vehicles son Joey (I think) to take as DO was a singing instructor. Now there was something about a student getting hurt in or around DO’s class. But DO’s students were in that class I think children so that doesn’t sound like the “sick friend” DO said he was visiting. (I could be wrong but had an impression DO visited his sick friend with someone else). I don’t know what department they were in at the time in the visit. I guess it’s possible it could have been a psyche ward. In that hospital room, as best I can recall TI brought up something about what astrological sign they were born under. That stimulated DO to say he’d been very interested in having his astrological chart done. He learned from that, that TI had no interest in doing his chart unless he really wanted it and this was her policy DO later learned about to wait until someone asked for a chart 3 times to take them seriously (as it wasn’t for money and I don’t know if and what she might have charged). But that meeting was the beginning of a whirlwind to both their lives. At first DO wondered about that time if Bonnie was hitting on him. DO told us a lot of things about what he went through while traveling with TI for that first year or so. It was tough for DO to come to recognize TI was his in all ways of thinking, “Older Member”. TI didn’t ever say that about herself. TI knew that DO’s Mind brought to this planet to take over that vehicle known as Marshall Applewhite had done previous tasks including Adam to start the experiment, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus. It was only during 1992 making of the Beyond Human series that DO admitted being the same Soul who performed the task known as Jesus the Christ. That was because he knew that Jesus was the name given to that human body that was prepared by the Older Members and crew to be their vehicle to perform that preparatory work for student to graduate by applying.